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	<title>Comments on: Welcome to Murky. You Don&#8217;t Get it Your Way.</title>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.welovedc.com/2008/07/13/welcome-to-murky-you-dont-get-it-your-way/comment-page-3/#comment-61534</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 03:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great post. Good advice! Work day to day can be extremely difficult. Is the answer to enjoy what you do or do what you enjoy? It’s tough. Thanks for you insight though.

I stumbled upon this blog like I did yours. Though their insight on work was very meaningful: http://burisonthecouch.wordpress.com/2009/12/31/our-house/

Thanks for the post! I’d love to see more like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great post. Good advice! Work day to day can be extremely difficult. Is the answer to enjoy what you do or do what you enjoy? It’s tough. Thanks for you insight though.</p>
<p>I stumbled upon this blog like I did yours. Though their insight on work was very meaningful: <a href="http://burisonthecouch.wordpress.com/2009/12/31/our-house/" rel="nofollow">http://burisonthecouch.wordpress.com/2009/12/31/our-house/</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the post! I’d love to see more like it.</p>
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		<title>By: DensityDuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Some Guy:  Haha, I was just surfing through my old comments, found this thread, and was thinking &quot;hey, I should go check and see if Murky is still around...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Some Guy:  Haha, I was just surfing through my old comments, found this thread, and was thinking &#8220;hey, I should go check and see if Murky is still around&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Some Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 11:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Some Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the Record: Murky Coffee is out of business. They went belly-up the year after this incident.  Apparently, that kind of douchebag pretentiousness isn&#039;t a viable business plan once an inflationary bubble has burst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the Record: Murky Coffee is out of business. They went belly-up the year after this incident.  Apparently, that kind of douchebag pretentiousness isn&#8217;t a viable business plan once an inflationary bubble has burst.</p>
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		<title>By: In defense of &#8220;coffee Nazis&#8221; &#124; Espresso News and Reviews - TheShot.coffeeratings.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>In defense of &#8220;coffee Nazis&#8221; &#124; Espresso News and Reviews - TheShot.coffeeratings.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] believe Murky Coffee should just shut up and serve. Some have even gone so far as to rant, &#8220;YOUR JOB IS TO PUT BROWN WATER IN A CUP AND TAKE MONEY FOR IT.&#8221; Many consumers believe in their own divine right to consume anything they wish (as long as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] believe Murky Coffee should just shut up and serve. Some have even gone so far as to rant, &#8220;YOUR JOB IS TO PUT BROWN WATER IN A CUP AND TAKE MONEY FOR IT.&#8221; Many consumers believe in their own divine right to consume anything they wish (as long as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: No Jail for Cho &#187; We Love DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Jail for Cho &#187; We Love DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] followed the saga of Nick Cho and Murky Coffee&#8217;s tax problems since back in the days of Dickpunchgate. So you may be interested to know that Cho will not have to serve any jail time for his failure to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mubarak Visit DC and His Peeps Block 29th Street NW &#187; We Love DC</title>
		<link>http://www.welovedc.com/2008/07/13/welcome-to-murky-you-dont-get-it-your-way/comment-page-3/#comment-10676</link>
		<dc:creator>Mubarak Visit DC and His Peeps Block 29th Street NW &#187; We Love DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at home make for uneasy traveling while abroad. On the other hand, I understand he likes his espresso without the ice, thus freeing the Secret Service from protecting him from a solid punch in his man [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, simple solution.

1) Buy an aeropress.
2) Buy some fresh roasted coffee.  Whole Foods at Fairoaks will do.
3) Go to Murky&#039;s and just pay for hot water.  Tell them you want it at 178 to 182 degrees farenheit.  If it&#039;s wrong, give it back and make them do it again.
4) Make your own coffee.
5) For spite, offer to make one for the &quot;barista&quot;.  Do not charge him/her.

It&#039;ll be much better than what you can get there, and you&#039;ll be making some poor soul&#039;s day, by giving them really, really good coffee.

6) Remember to tip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, simple solution.</p>
<p>1) Buy an aeropress.<br />
2) Buy some fresh roasted coffee.  Whole Foods at Fairoaks will do.<br />
3) Go to Murky&#8217;s and just pay for hot water.  Tell them you want it at 178 to 182 degrees farenheit.  If it&#8217;s wrong, give it back and make them do it again.<br />
4) Make your own coffee.<br />
5) For spite, offer to make one for the &#8220;barista&#8221;.  Do not charge him/her.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be much better than what you can get there, and you&#8217;ll be making some poor soul&#8217;s day, by giving them really, really good coffee.</p>
<p>6) Remember to tip.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is a really old story but I ran across it from some blog that I can&#039;t even remember the name of now.  (Sad, no?)  And this comment jumped out at me:

&quot;I would ask a fashion designer to embroider Minnie Mouse on my shirt if I wanted it that way, because I would be paying that fashion designer for a service. And if I want to put ketchup on my nigiri, I don’t think the sushi chef has a right to say anything.

&quot;They are in service industries, and I couldn’t care less about what offends their delicate sensibilities. Please.&quot;

The barista was way out of line.  Granted.  However, if I as a typical monolingual xenophobic (OK, not really) low-class American troglodyte want to learn what&#039;s involved with a higher-class service or product, I am not going to throw my weight around (and I got lots of it!  I&#039;m an American!) trying to dictate how that service or product will be done for/sold to me.  Because I HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA.

Minnie Mouse is not used on haute couture.  Ketchup is not even SERVED in a Japanese restaurant, ESPECIALLY not one that specializes in sushi.  And if the whole point is to try something new and something maybe a little higher-class than you&#039;re used to having, maybe it&#039;s a little bit courteous to find out the PROPER way to do it or buy it or whatever.

Because social class is basically a type of culture, regardless of how high or low it is.  And what do you do when you move into someone else&#039;s culture?  You learn to act and speak and eat as they do.

It&#039;s hilarious to me that when immigrants come here we give them no end of grief for not speaking English, not going to church, and not being like us in every conceivable way.  But when we go overseas we don&#039;t bother learning the local language, and when we eat or drink things that are foreign in this country, we corporatize them and homogenize them and adulterate them until they are unrecognizable to the people who created them.

And then we wonder why the rest of the world sees us as fat, lazy, ignorant, uncultured troglodytes.

By the way?  &quot;Service personnel&quot; is not code for &quot;slave.&quot;  So no, the customer is NOT always right, and sometimes the customer is very damn WRONG.  And if I ever own my own retail establishment and someone comes in copping attitude with me because I&#039;m &quot;just&quot; a service professional or &quot;just&quot; earn a low wage then they are getting thrown out on their ear.  After I point and laugh at them very loudly.

God.  In the UK they take that &quot;customer is always right&quot; thing so literally they feel free to HIT store employees.  God help us if we ever get to that point here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a really old story but I ran across it from some blog that I can&#8217;t even remember the name of now.  (Sad, no?)  And this comment jumped out at me:</p>
<p>&#8220;I would ask a fashion designer to embroider Minnie Mouse on my shirt if I wanted it that way, because I would be paying that fashion designer for a service. And if I want to put ketchup on my nigiri, I don’t think the sushi chef has a right to say anything.</p>
<p>&#8220;They are in service industries, and I couldn’t care less about what offends their delicate sensibilities. Please.&#8221;</p>
<p>The barista was way out of line.  Granted.  However, if I as a typical monolingual xenophobic (OK, not really) low-class American troglodyte want to learn what&#8217;s involved with a higher-class service or product, I am not going to throw my weight around (and I got lots of it!  I&#8217;m an American!) trying to dictate how that service or product will be done for/sold to me.  Because I HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA.</p>
<p>Minnie Mouse is not used on haute couture.  Ketchup is not even SERVED in a Japanese restaurant, ESPECIALLY not one that specializes in sushi.  And if the whole point is to try something new and something maybe a little higher-class than you&#8217;re used to having, maybe it&#8217;s a little bit courteous to find out the PROPER way to do it or buy it or whatever.</p>
<p>Because social class is basically a type of culture, regardless of how high or low it is.  And what do you do when you move into someone else&#8217;s culture?  You learn to act and speak and eat as they do.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hilarious to me that when immigrants come here we give them no end of grief for not speaking English, not going to church, and not being like us in every conceivable way.  But when we go overseas we don&#8217;t bother learning the local language, and when we eat or drink things that are foreign in this country, we corporatize them and homogenize them and adulterate them until they are unrecognizable to the people who created them.</p>
<p>And then we wonder why the rest of the world sees us as fat, lazy, ignorant, uncultured troglodytes.</p>
<p>By the way?  &#8220;Service personnel&#8221; is not code for &#8220;slave.&#8221;  So no, the customer is NOT always right, and sometimes the customer is very damn WRONG.  And if I ever own my own retail establishment and someone comes in copping attitude with me because I&#8217;m &#8220;just&#8221; a service professional or &#8220;just&#8221; earn a low wage then they are getting thrown out on their ear.  After I point and laugh at them very loudly.</p>
<p>God.  In the UK they take that &#8220;customer is always right&#8221; thing so literally they feel free to HIT store employees.  God help us if we ever get to that point here.</p>
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		<title>By: MuddyDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MuddyDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an artisan roaster... selling coffee beans, not prepared beverages... customers do all sorts of things with them of which I don&#039;t approve because I know it results in a suboptimal cup of coffee.  Things like brew them in a 25 year old Mr. Coffee that hasn&#039;t been cleaned since Billy Joel was a chart topper.  Buy them 5 lbs at a time to save money instead of buying them fresh.  Buy several varieties and blend them themselves.  Store them in an open container on the counter.  Pregrind them days or weeks in advance of use.  I could go on. But that&#039;s their choice, and they are free to make it.  My job is to politely and respectfully educate THE CUSTOMERS WHO WANT TO BE EDUCATED.  The results are encouraging.  I sell lots of proper storage containers, good grinders, etc., and they are happy and appreciative when their home brew improves.  And I do lose customers who don&#039;t listen, when they believe that my premium prices are unwarranted because my stuff tastes no better than anything else they make.  Oh well.  That&#039;s life. But I don&#039;t presume to lecture about what they can and can&#039;t do with the product I sell them.  That&#039;s the difference between a SALE and a LICENSE.  Maybe murky wants to license espresso to customers... &quot;click here to accept terms of use&quot;...

http://www.muddydogcoffee.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an artisan roaster&#8230; selling coffee beans, not prepared beverages&#8230; customers do all sorts of things with them of which I don&#8217;t approve because I know it results in a suboptimal cup of coffee.  Things like brew them in a 25 year old Mr. Coffee that hasn&#8217;t been cleaned since Billy Joel was a chart topper.  Buy them 5 lbs at a time to save money instead of buying them fresh.  Buy several varieties and blend them themselves.  Store them in an open container on the counter.  Pregrind them days or weeks in advance of use.  I could go on. But that&#8217;s their choice, and they are free to make it.  My job is to politely and respectfully educate THE CUSTOMERS WHO WANT TO BE EDUCATED.  The results are encouraging.  I sell lots of proper storage containers, good grinders, etc., and they are happy and appreciative when their home brew improves.  And I do lose customers who don&#8217;t listen, when they believe that my premium prices are unwarranted because my stuff tastes no better than anything else they make.  Oh well.  That&#8217;s life. But I don&#8217;t presume to lecture about what they can and can&#8217;t do with the product I sell them.  That&#8217;s the difference between a SALE and a LICENSE.  Maybe murky wants to license espresso to customers&#8230; &#8220;click here to accept terms of use&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.muddydogcoffee.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.muddydogcoffee.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: TPK</title>
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		<dc:creator>TPK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve learned something from this whole debacle: namely, that &quot;artistic license&quot; has become a catch-all haven for the pseudo-intellectual, the pretentious, and the plain old-fashioned assholes to hide behind so they don&#039;t have to get called on the carpet for their crappy behavior towards other people.  Our society lets certain people get away with so much shit if they do it in the name of Art (Roman Polanski, pedophile and AUTEUR, comes readily to mind), and it&#039;s about time to stop giving carte blanche to any thickwit who plasters himself with the title of artist to avoid public censure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve learned something from this whole debacle: namely, that &#8220;artistic license&#8221; has become a catch-all haven for the pseudo-intellectual, the pretentious, and the plain old-fashioned assholes to hide behind so they don&#8217;t have to get called on the carpet for their crappy behavior towards other people.  Our society lets certain people get away with so much shit if they do it in the name of Art (Roman Polanski, pedophile and AUTEUR, comes readily to mind), and it&#8217;s about time to stop giving carte blanche to any thickwit who plasters himself with the title of artist to avoid public censure.</p>
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		<title>By: CafeOrCoffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>CafeOrCoffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating...I wonder how the barista would still feel upon learning that coffee - as a drink form, etc - originated in Europe.  Where, common coffee, as we Americans know it, is hard to come by.  In fact, in order to get an &quot;Americano&quot;  a barista (say in Italy, France, or Spain) takes an espresso and adds water...ice to make it cold if you want.  The fact that you can choose to &quot;ruin&quot; perfectly good café in the countries that invented the art form  - says a lot.  

I don&#039;t think we as Americans should play the &quot;know-it-all&quot; role on this one. Why not just KISS and stick with good old American values:  the customer is always right.

This random tidbit comes to mind when Americans are &quot;high and mighty&quot; about café or culinary culture: a large portion of the world calls Ketchup - &quot;American Sauce&quot;  I guess one of the true American influences on haute cuisine?  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating&#8230;I wonder how the barista would still feel upon learning that coffee &#8211; as a drink form, etc &#8211; originated in Europe.  Where, common coffee, as we Americans know it, is hard to come by.  In fact, in order to get an &#8220;Americano&#8221;  a barista (say in Italy, France, or Spain) takes an espresso and adds water&#8230;ice to make it cold if you want.  The fact that you can choose to &#8220;ruin&#8221; perfectly good café in the countries that invented the art form  &#8211; says a lot.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we as Americans should play the &#8220;know-it-all&#8221; role on this one. Why not just KISS and stick with good old American values:  the customer is always right.</p>
<p>This random tidbit comes to mind when Americans are &#8220;high and mighty&#8221; about café or culinary culture: a large portion of the world calls Ketchup &#8211; &#8220;American Sauce&#8221;  I guess one of the true American influences on haute cuisine?  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thepenismightier:

&quot;Defacing&quot; federal currency is not a felony &lt;em&gt;unless it&#039;s with the intent to commit fraud&lt;/em&gt;. He didn&#039;t take a Sharpie and draw a bunch of extra zeroes after the one; therefore, no crime was committed.

To everybody who&#039;s talking about &quot;educating&quot; people on what to look for in coffee: if you have to be taught that something tastes good in order to notice it, it doesn&#039;t actually taste good. You can waste time and money &quot;educating your palate&quot;... I&#039;m going to drink something that tastes as good the &lt;em&gt;first&lt;/em&gt; time as it does the seventeenth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thepenismightier:</p>
<p>&#8220;Defacing&#8221; federal currency is not a felony <em>unless it&#8217;s with the intent to commit fraud</em>. He didn&#8217;t take a Sharpie and draw a bunch of extra zeroes after the one; therefore, no crime was committed.</p>
<p>To everybody who&#8217;s talking about &#8220;educating&#8221; people on what to look for in coffee: if you have to be taught that something tastes good in order to notice it, it doesn&#8217;t actually taste good. You can waste time and money &#8220;educating your palate&#8221;&#8230; I&#8217;m going to drink something that tastes as good the <em>first</em> time as it does the seventeenth.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I live in Eden Prairie, MN
and I don&#039;t drink coffee, ever.</description>
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and I don&#8217;t drink coffee, ever.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am what&#039;s wrong with society because I seriously read all of these posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am what&#8217;s wrong with society because I seriously read all of these posts.</p>
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		<title>By: thepenismightier</title>
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		<dc:creator>thepenismightier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What people don&#039;t seem to realize, and what the barista (which is a stupid nonsense unisex word which means nothing) should have caught onto, is the fuckwad customer should have been charged so far up the ass for ice that it would would have solved the problem.  There is NO obligation to provide free ice or a second cup.  Problem solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What people don&#8217;t seem to realize, and what the barista (which is a stupid nonsense unisex word which means nothing) should have caught onto, is the fuckwad customer should have been charged so far up the ass for ice that it would would have solved the problem.  There is NO obligation to provide free ice or a second cup.  Problem solved.</p>
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		<title>By: thepenismightier</title>
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		<dc:creator>thepenismightier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the fact the douche Simmerton committed a federal crime by defacing federal currency, then admitted and documented it on his website.  If I have my way, the Secret Service will be paying him a call.  Oh, who am I kidding, I&#039;m way too lazy to make that call.  But if Nick Cho hasn&#039;t done it, he&#039;s not the same Nick Cho who was an intern for Don &amp; Mike and banged one of his high school teachers at the beach after his graduation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the fact the douche Simmerton committed a federal crime by defacing federal currency, then admitted and documented it on his website.  If I have my way, the Secret Service will be paying him a call.  Oh, who am I kidding, I&#8217;m way too lazy to make that call.  But if Nick Cho hasn&#8217;t done it, he&#8217;s not the same Nick Cho who was an intern for Don &amp; Mike and banged one of his high school teachers at the beach after his graduation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Tom Bridge, they will go straight after him for their tax money. By the time they are done? He&#039;ll wish he hadn&#039;t been born. While keeping things in separate corporations can provide some protection, when you own both of the corps, and they go after you (because as an officer of the corporation you are liable for the actions of the corporation) having separate companies won&#039;t help...they are still yours.

I&#039;m not dreaming, I&#039;m informed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Tom Bridge, they will go straight after him for their tax money. By the time they are done? He&#8217;ll wish he hadn&#8217;t been born. While keeping things in separate corporations can provide some protection, when you own both of the corps, and they go after you (because as an officer of the corporation you are liable for the actions of the corporation) having separate companies won&#8217;t help&#8230;they are still yours.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not dreaming, I&#8217;m informed.</p>
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		<title>By: John in CA</title>
		<link>http://www.welovedc.com/2008/07/13/welcome-to-murky-you-dont-get-it-your-way/comment-page-3/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>John in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an unimpassioned observer from the left coast, I found this story along with the subsequent discussion mesmermizing, due in no small part to my love of a good cup of joe.

I was an early devotee of Starbucks before they began their policy of each store being in line of site of the adjacent one. One of my favorite anecdotes was a visit to a Starbucks in Seattle in the early 90&#039;s where the ebullient fellow behind the counter talked my ear off on the subtleties of the many varieties of beans they had to offer, and recommended grinding them finely because he guessed (correctly) that I had a Krups coffee maker with a fine meshed filter simply based on where I lived (San Francisco).

Flash by nearly two decades and Starbucks is closing 600 stores because they became as diluted as their coffee. Seems not only small independents are susceptible.

But the zeal I experienced that time comes close to what I seem to detect about the folks at Murky. To that effect, I&#039;d love to have such a coffeeshop nearby, if only to absorb that vibe of people passionate about what they do and make, not to mention getting a superior cup of coffee. And I don&#039;t worry about whether they&#039;re condescending or arrogant to me - I have enough self-esteem not to be affected thus.

Honestly, some of these posters that have a problem with Nick, David, et al must have some serious self-image issues for them to get all &quot;I won&#039;t have some wage-earner get all uppity on me&quot; (head swaying and finger wagging).

And for the life of me, I can&#039;t understand the negative response to Nick&#039;s open letter. I thought it was hilarious and read it in exactly the same vein as Jeff&#039;s blog. And while I&#039;m no fan of profanity, I do recognize its use to emphasize a point, which Nick did well as a retort (I agree with DailyCaveat, however, that Jeff&#039;s was totally unwarranted). And his follow-up was nothing short of masterful.

I&#039;m just sorry that Nick has the tax problems that totally undercut his position and allow his detractors to circuitously (and irrelevantly) skewer him. He could have been the quirky wiseguy who nonetheless is dedicated to and passionate about his craft and practices it with an anti-corporate, devil-may-care attitude, but is reduced to a tax cheat and deadbeat. Let me just say that as a fellow Korean-American, I&#039;m disappointed - what his parents must think of him...

As for the ghetto latte angle, what gets me is when I go through a MacDonalds drive-thru (OK, I show my true colors but sometimes I want an egg mcmuffin and don&#039;t want to make a second trip for coffee), and I ask for one creme and two sugars and they give me like five cremes and 20 sugars (and about 50 napkins and they forget a stirrer). What a waste - it&#039;s clear that these folks don&#039;t have any sense of ownership. For a small business owner, to get shafted by both customers and employees like these must be maddening.

To finish, I do have to comment that DailyCaveat&#039;s posts are intelligent, finely worded, and absolutely cuts to the point, rendering those who oppose him as blathering idiots. Johnathan Schelling&#039;s few words on modern, superficial, conspicuous-consumer-driven, catered-to-the-masses life was so entertaining, he should have a blog of his own. And Carl Weaver, you make a fine unbiased and honest moderator. I&#039;m sure you all can die happy upon hearing my assessments ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an unimpassioned observer from the left coast, I found this story along with the subsequent discussion mesmermizing, due in no small part to my love of a good cup of joe.</p>
<p>I was an early devotee of Starbucks before they began their policy of each store being in line of site of the adjacent one. One of my favorite anecdotes was a visit to a Starbucks in Seattle in the early 90&#8217;s where the ebullient fellow behind the counter talked my ear off on the subtleties of the many varieties of beans they had to offer, and recommended grinding them finely because he guessed (correctly) that I had a Krups coffee maker with a fine meshed filter simply based on where I lived (San Francisco).</p>
<p>Flash by nearly two decades and Starbucks is closing 600 stores because they became as diluted as their coffee. Seems not only small independents are susceptible.</p>
<p>But the zeal I experienced that time comes close to what I seem to detect about the folks at Murky. To that effect, I&#8217;d love to have such a coffeeshop nearby, if only to absorb that vibe of people passionate about what they do and make, not to mention getting a superior cup of coffee. And I don&#8217;t worry about whether they&#8217;re condescending or arrogant to me &#8211; I have enough self-esteem not to be affected thus.</p>
<p>Honestly, some of these posters that have a problem with Nick, David, et al must have some serious self-image issues for them to get all &#8220;I won&#8217;t have some wage-earner get all uppity on me&#8221; (head swaying and finger wagging).</p>
<p>And for the life of me, I can&#8217;t understand the negative response to Nick&#8217;s open letter. I thought it was hilarious and read it in exactly the same vein as Jeff&#8217;s blog. And while I&#8217;m no fan of profanity, I do recognize its use to emphasize a point, which Nick did well as a retort (I agree with DailyCaveat, however, that Jeff&#8217;s was totally unwarranted). And his follow-up was nothing short of masterful.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just sorry that Nick has the tax problems that totally undercut his position and allow his detractors to circuitously (and irrelevantly) skewer him. He could have been the quirky wiseguy who nonetheless is dedicated to and passionate about his craft and practices it with an anti-corporate, devil-may-care attitude, but is reduced to a tax cheat and deadbeat. Let me just say that as a fellow Korean-American, I&#8217;m disappointed &#8211; what his parents must think of him&#8230;</p>
<p>As for the ghetto latte angle, what gets me is when I go through a MacDonalds drive-thru (OK, I show my true colors but sometimes I want an egg mcmuffin and don&#8217;t want to make a second trip for coffee), and I ask for one creme and two sugars and they give me like five cremes and 20 sugars (and about 50 napkins and they forget a stirrer). What a waste &#8211; it&#8217;s clear that these folks don&#8217;t have any sense of ownership. For a small business owner, to get shafted by both customers and employees like these must be maddening.</p>
<p>To finish, I do have to comment that DailyCaveat&#8217;s posts are intelligent, finely worded, and absolutely cuts to the point, rendering those who oppose him as blathering idiots. Johnathan Schelling&#8217;s few words on modern, superficial, conspicuous-consumer-driven, catered-to-the-masses life was so entertaining, he should have a blog of his own. And Carl Weaver, you make a fine unbiased and honest moderator. I&#8217;m sure you all can die happy upon hearing my assessments ;)</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the biggest points that could be made is that, even if the customer is wrong, you as a business need to convince the customer that they are right.  You don&#039;t have to kowtow to them, but the second you roll your eyes, or state anything about the way that the customer is about to use the product you just sold them being really, really Not OK.... well that&#039;s just really, really Not OK.  
Just because you don&#039;t like the way that it tastes typically doesn&#039;t mean squat.  I don&#039;t like relish on my hot dog, but if I offered relish for my burgers, and sell hot dogs, once I&#039;ve sold you the hot dog, and a cup of relish I have no right to tell you that putting the relish on your hot dog is against store policy.
The second that the coffee was sold, with the cup of ice the barista lost all rights to comment without an angry reply.  I like to say that it&#039;s not what you say but how you say it.  In this case that doesn&#039;t apply.  It&#039;s what he said, it was condescending, inflammatory and completely out of line - the store policy on what they make only applies to the employee not to the customer.
And using the term &quot;your god damn right&quot;, or &quot;Hell yeah&#039; I&#039;m going to drink it how I want&quot; are perfectly fine for emphasis - had he said F*&amp;^ off of Motherf*&amp;^er don&#039;t tell me what to do with my product not okay.
Yes the customer was wrong about the tip - the rest is just a failing business waiting to happen.

The &quot;ghetto latte&quot; fix your prices, don&#039;t try to pull a fast one on a customer.  Tried to order a shot in a 16 oz drip once, the place called it a shot in the dark - charged 1.50 more than a 16 oz and single shot.  For what?  Just trying to rip a customer off.  Say you sell your espresso for .75 a shot, your cost for cup, lid and sleeve(to go) is ~.23, the milk - say you go crazy an use a full 8 oz. that&#039;s a quarter. Latte cost 1.23 - customer cost 2.85 (just for giggles) Wow, that&#039;s over 100% markup, how do you justify?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the biggest points that could be made is that, even if the customer is wrong, you as a business need to convince the customer that they are right.  You don&#8217;t have to kowtow to them, but the second you roll your eyes, or state anything about the way that the customer is about to use the product you just sold them being really, really Not OK&#8230;. well that&#8217;s just really, really Not OK.<br />
Just because you don&#8217;t like the way that it tastes typically doesn&#8217;t mean squat.  I don&#8217;t like relish on my hot dog, but if I offered relish for my burgers, and sell hot dogs, once I&#8217;ve sold you the hot dog, and a cup of relish I have no right to tell you that putting the relish on your hot dog is against store policy.<br />
The second that the coffee was sold, with the cup of ice the barista lost all rights to comment without an angry reply.  I like to say that it&#8217;s not what you say but how you say it.  In this case that doesn&#8217;t apply.  It&#8217;s what he said, it was condescending, inflammatory and completely out of line &#8211; the store policy on what they make only applies to the employee not to the customer.<br />
And using the term &#8220;your god damn right&#8221;, or &#8220;Hell yeah&#8217; I&#8217;m going to drink it how I want&#8221; are perfectly fine for emphasis &#8211; had he said F*&amp;^ off of Motherf*&amp;^er don&#8217;t tell me what to do with my product not okay.<br />
Yes the customer was wrong about the tip &#8211; the rest is just a failing business waiting to happen.</p>
<p>The &#8220;ghetto latte&#8221; fix your prices, don&#8217;t try to pull a fast one on a customer.  Tried to order a shot in a 16 oz drip once, the place called it a shot in the dark &#8211; charged 1.50 more than a 16 oz and single shot.  For what?  Just trying to rip a customer off.  Say you sell your espresso for .75 a shot, your cost for cup, lid and sleeve(to go) is ~.23, the milk &#8211; say you go crazy an use a full 8 oz. that&#8217;s a quarter. Latte cost 1.23 &#8211; customer cost 2.85 (just for giggles) Wow, that&#8217;s over 100% markup, how do you justify?</p>
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